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Into the Gap is committed to reigniting the conversation for men as leaders and entrepreneurs, as parent-providers, and as people partnering with women in creating a better world.

Hosts Mike Shereck and Jason Hill explore the connections between the personal and the universal. Through causal analysis, critical thinking and self-examination, they go into the current topics of the day in depth, fleshing out how what we do as individuals can have a much broader impact than we ever thought possible.

“Into the Gap” airs live on WCGO Saturdays from 9:00 to 10:00 a.m. Central. Listen from 1590 AM, 95.9 FM, the SmartTalk app (Android | Apple), the live stream on this website, TuneIn, or catch the Facebook Live feed from WCGO’s Facebook page. Call in live at ! Find episodes below.

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COMING UP
6/27/20

Join us this Saturday from 1590 AM, 95.9 FM, the LISTEN button at the top of the page, TuneIn, the SmartTalk app, the SimpleRadio app, Facebook Live.

ABOUT THE HOSTS

Mike Shereck, PCC Coach, Leader, Barrier Breaker, is a thought leader and coach who uses his insight, skills, experience, training, and ability to listen to create sustainable change in today’s dynamic workplace environments. Early in Mike’s adult life, he began to pose the question, “What is leadership, and what can it provide?” It is that question that ignited the idea of TLE: Transformational Leadership Experience, Inc.

Mike has a unique background. With his vast experience and understanding from working in both manufacturing (metalworking, automotive, and machining processes) and construction (green construction, excavation, concrete, and paving), he has a thorough understanding of the processes and constraints that allow for success, and understands the potential limiting nature of organizational cultures that have developed throughout the years.

Mike is the founder of The Mike Shereck Group, LLC and the author of Berwyn Rules: Leadership Secrets of 26th Street. He was one of the inaugural speakers for the “Speaker Who Dare” project, the next evolution of TEDx Lincoln Square in New York City.

Find Mike on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn.

Jason D. Hill is a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, where he is an Honors Distinguished Faculty. He is also a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, where he writes a weekly column on American and international politics, race and culture, and issues in sexuality and social psychology and higher education. He specializes in ethics, American politics and foreign policy and philosophical psychology.

Jason is the author of four books. These include Becoming a Cosmopolitan: What It Means to Be a Human Being in the New Millennium and Civil Disobedience and the Politics of Identity: When We Should Not Get Along. His most recent bestselling book is We Have Overcome: An Immigrant’s Letter to the American People (Boomabardier Books, 2018). He also writes for The Federalist, Commentary Magazine, Spike Magazine, The American Thinker, The Hill, and Salon. 

Jason has lectured and taught extensively on his areas of expertise in the United States, Europe, and Asia. He is also a well-respected motivational speaker. Jason is a regular contributor to Fox News and has been interviewed by various media outlets, including NBC’s “Today Show,” “Bill O’Reilly’s “No Spin News,” Fox Business, and NPR. 

He came to the United States at the age of 20 from Jamaica and has thrived beyond his wildest dreams. He remains incredibly grateful to this country for its bountiful opportunities and considers himself a great patriot of our exceptional republic. 

Jason hopes to bring a sense of moral and political depth to the various topics presented on “Into The Gap.” His biggest desire is to emancipate many listeners from their curated silos and to challenge them by deliberately triggering them to think beyond their comfort zones. Jason sees “Into The Gap” as a great opportunity to get listeners to re-experience a sense of mental and bodily vitality through the sheer power of in-depth discussion of current events. He wants listeners to leave the show with a heightened and exalted sense of what they actually think and believe, and thus to re-commit to the value of joy in living.

Follow Jason on Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. His website is jasondamianhill.com.

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EPISODES

JUNE 20, 2020

On this week’s show, Mike argues that the divide in the country is not nearly as large as is being reported and points to some of the revisionist history he thinks is going on. Jason posits that the revisionist history "includes Trump’s biggest moral crime which spearheaded the divide in this country: the creation of the disgustingly racist Birther Movement. When the most vetted man in the country — then-President Obama — gets cast as a foreigner by Trump, then we are revising history back to an era when blacks’ qualifications as viable citizens were called into question. If we label Antifa a terrorist organization, then the Ku Klux Klan, which still terrorizes blacks and Jews, has to be labeled a domestic terrorist organization, too. I’d like to address moral hypocrisy on both left and right," Jason says.

JUNE 13, 2020

On this episode: Racism, what it really is, and what is Systemic Racism? We use these terms without a clear understanding of what they really mean; it just becomes meaningless talking about it. We also talk about the removal of symbols -- the outlawing of Confederate flags at NASCAR events, the banning of "Gone With The Wind" by HBO, the removal and desecration of statues of Confederate leaders and places. And Trump attacks a 75-year-old protester.

JUNE 6, 2020

On this episode we talk about the protests, the riots, the responses, and the way we are reacting to all of it. Plus, we discuss General Mattis’s searing criticism of President Trump and how some in the GOP are turning against the president.

MAY 30, 2020

On this episode, we talk about the recent brutal murders of unarmed black men and one woman by police offers; the riots and looting; the woman in Central Park calling cops on a man who asked her gently to leash her dog -- she told him that she was going to call the police and report that an African-American male was threatening her life and repeatedly stressed that he was black. Where are we in race relations in this county? Do the lives of black people as human beings in America really matter? We also talk about the breakdown in institutions, structure and the basic systems of civilization.

MAY 23, 2020

This week we look at what the future looks like, and what the present looks like as most places across the country open up, one exception being the City of Chicago. What does this new post COVID-19 world look like? How has life changed? How has our culture changed? What does working at home look like and what is the impact of isolation, the absence of touch, and connections with people?

MAY 16, 2020

MAY 9, 2020

On this episode Mike and Jason discuss the void of leadership across all aspects of our country, and the impact that has on the citizens of this country -- one of uncertainty, anxiety and fear.

MAY 2, 2020

On this episode we talk about the impact of the stay-at-home order on our lives, our attitudes, the economy, our culture, and us as humans. We also talk about the hidden cost of COVID-19 and the hidden cost of living in a constant state of fear.

APRIL 25, 2020

In this episode co-host Jason D. Hill criticizes the executive branch of our government for its continued reckless lack of leadership amidst the COVID-19 crisis, most particularly singling out President Trump's reckless suggestion that injecting the body with disinfectants might be a remedy for the virus. Hill questions the moral hypocrisy of a conservative government that decries the welfare state but applies the principle of distribution of wealth and affirmative action to the rich in its discriminatory bailout procedures for wealthy corporations. He praises the resilience and heroic perseverance of the American people for keeping the moral health of the nation alive. 

APRIL 18, 2020

This week on “Into The Gap” we talk about:
1) Why rational thinking versus gut reaction and impulsive action are most important during this pandemic
2) how the new age of uncertainty has produced a fear of feeling fear itself
3) the irrational response of the Michigan protesters: why it’s un-American and deeply fascistic
4) A new humanity in the age of COVID-19

We also look at the continued gap in leadership and what that is leading to, including the reopening of beaches in Florida and the roll-out of the new reality, plus the idea of 100 percent safety and is that even possible. 

APRIL 11, 2020

This week we look at what the COVID-19 pandemic is really costing us, and what life will look like when we are "getting back to normal." First, there is no idea what "normal" will be; we are in a new era. Some of the things we must look at: our addiction to materialism and, with that, our need for cheap and inferior Chinese goods. We must break the hold China has on us financially and materially. We also begin to look at what it will take to reconstruct the supply chain and how restoring the manufacturing base in the USA is not only a national defense issue, it is a way to stabilize the economy and provide the much-needed good-paying jobs this country will need. We discuss how the real backbone of our economy is small business, and the need for that to survive may be our greatest priority. We also cover the failings of our institutions and the humanness of the experts -- how, though they are trained and committed, what they provide is just a guide and not the truth. Finally, throughout the show we play songs by John Prine, Chicago's own, who passed this pass week.

APRIL 4, 2020

This week we look at what COVID-19 has cost us, along with what are some of the lessons learned, opportunities for change, and new perspectives that have been offered to us. In addition, we open the phone lines for call-ins.

MARCH 28, 2020

This week we continue the conversation about coronavirus, looking at it more from the impact of us personally, how the isolation is impacting us, and the impact of very little real leadership and the instability that takes place.

MARCH 21, 2020

On this week’s show we took callers from across the planet. We had a caller from the U.K. and one from PA.  We were discussing the impact of COVID-19 and what we see and what that means.  What we realized is we are all far more similar than different.

MARCH 14, 2020

This week we have our Berwyn special!

Wednesday, February 19th we recorded a pair of episodes at The Wire in Berwyn, where we celebrated all things Berwyn with Mayor Robert J. Lovero, and his wife, Gail. Hosted and moderated by Mike Shereck, they talk about living and growing up in Berwyn, the current state of the city, and what the mayor envisions as he embarks on a fourth-term re-election campaign. And Mike not only asks questions people had submitted to the show beforehand, he opens up the floor for questions from the audience!

MARCH 7, 2020

This week Mike and Jason welcome Rollo Tomassi back to the show.

FEBRUARY 29, 2020

This week: Jerry Evans, candidate for the 14th Congressional District of Illinois. 

Also available: the Facebook Live video

FEBRUARY 22, 2020

This week conservative activist Beth Feeley joins Jason Hill. (Mike Shereck took the week off.)

FEBRUARY 15, 2020

This week our guest is Jeff Joseph, editorial director of the print and online magazine LUCKBOX. The magazine is a deep-dive outlet that explores money/finances, trading markets, politics, media. The magazine is located in Chicago and is a successful major publication. Jeff talks to co-hosts Jason and Mike about:

• our steel war with China and censorship in China

• fraudulent accounting policies in China and their impact on lives

• fake media/fake news: how they are created

• trading in the political market and what he’s learned from its source: predictit.org

• time for new rules: Facebook, Amazon, Google and the monopoly market

Also available: the Facebook Live feed

FEBRUARY 8, 2020

This week our guest is Jonathan Hoenig. He is a hedge fund manager and Fox News Business contributor. Jonathan is also the author of A New Textbook of Americanism: The Politics of Ayn Rand. He talks about:

• The moral meaning of money

• How to approach money and make it properly

• Why many people don't have a proper relationship to money

• What is the relationship between values and wealth creation?

• The importance of savings and the expansion of choices having money gives you in life 

• How to allocate resources and avoid even the smallest of credit card debts

• Why, regardless of class and educational variables, some people will always make more money than others

FEBRUARY 2, 2020

JANUARY 25, 2020

Mike and Jason are joined this week by guest-host Will Campbell and guest Peter Scott, the Fearless Coach. They discuss fear, how people use it as motivator and the impact of fear, how it can limit us and limit our expression and actually interfere with achieving the results we desire.   

JANUARY 18, 2020

This week Mike introduces new co-host, DePaul University Professor Jason Hill. They look into some of the various social movements, one being #metoo, and examine how these movement are always started to address a huge issue and are highly effective in bringing that issue into the light.  What happens when the goal of making people aware is achieved?  Movements themselves don't achieve change; people making new choices do.  

JANUARY 11, 2020

This week Mike Shereck and guest-host Will Campbell discuss fatherhood and the impact on kids, families and communities when fathers are absent.

JANUARY 4, 2020

This week Mike is joined by guest-host Will Campbell and Catalina Lauf, Republican candidate in the 14th Congressional District of Illinois.

December 28, 2019

This week Mike's guest is Alex Terranova, author of Fictional Authenticity. They talk about men and what it means to be authentic.

DECEMBER 21, 2019

This week Mike Shereck talks to Rory Clark, former Northwestern Wildcat, sales and strategy expert, and pastor of Barah Ministries. Much of our discussion centered around what it means to be a man in today’s world, and the choices we all must make. Rory and Mike have had a 35-year friendship, so yes, there was a bit of two dudes having fun, and it was really looking into what is our responsibility for being a man and what is needed for authentic male expression.

This week Mike and Bob talk to Ed Gurowitz, Ph.D., author of Inclusion, The Role of Leadership: Why We Are Separate, Why We Need To Come Together. They talk about inclusion, men, women, working in the world today, and what’s possible.

DECEMBER 7, 2019

This week Mike and Bob welcome back Rollo Tomassi.

NOVEMBER 30, 2019

This week Mike and Bob talk about thankfulness, gratitude and courage.

NOVEMBER 23, 2019

This week Mike and Bob welcome Professor Jason Hill back into the studio.

NOVEMBER 16, 2019

This week Mike and Bob welcome Danny Malouf, a Republican candidate for Illinois' 14th Congressional District in the U.S. House. Malouf calls himself the Liberty Candidate.

NOVEMBER 9, 2019

Mike and Bob celebrate six months of the show, and really look at what is so, where we’re at, and what is the current condition of the show, the culture, and our country.  We have a short visit by the "Commander," and another caller; we end the show with some practices moving forward. 

November 2, 2019

On this week's show Mike, Bob and their anonymous guest, "The Commander," take on the subjects of privilege, freedom and responsibility.

OCTOBER 26, 2019

Mike and Bob welcome Berwyn Mayor Robert Lovero into the studio to talk about “real-life, practical applications of inclusion, diversity, and cultural transformation as it relates to the city of Berwyn.” They also talk about the best places in town to get pizza. Mayor Lovero’s wife, Gail, and Berwyn stalwart Richard Leja were also on hand.

October 19, 2019

This week’s guest is Rollo Tomassi and we look at the impact of technology in our lives and consider that maybe it is not the best thing. We discussed #genderwars and male feminism and how this phenomenon may be a mating strategy. We also looked at the need for men to begin the process of self-awareness and self-discovery if we truly are committed to making the changes required to have this great experiment of ours work.

October 12, 2019

The theme this week is MISANDRY AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Our guest is DePaul Professor Jason D. Hill, Ph.D. Professor Hill speaks about race, gender, and political correctness, and he demonstrates how clarity and responsibility are essential to success in our country, and so much more.

October 5, 2019

The theme this week is MEN OPERATING IN A GYNOCENTRIC WORLD. Guest Adam Gilad speaks about his work with men over the last 15 years. Ultimately it is a stand that men operate from a place of responsibility.

September 28, 2019

The theme this week is INTO THE GAP and how this came to be. Bob and Mike review the journey, the why, and what you can count on us to do moving forward.

September 21, 2019

The theme this week is MONEY. Guest Alan Myers speaks to the history and legality of the Federal Reserve system, and how it impacts each of us.

September 14, 2019

The theme this week is MASCULINITY. Our guest is our friend Rollo Tomassi, who addresses the issues of male feminism and patriarchy. We really look at how men have been willing to adapt to achieve desires they may have, and how this activity does not work.

September 7, 2019

The theme this week is FREEDOM. It is our remembrance of September 11, 2001. Our guest, Col. Ryan Yantis (Ret.), was in the Pentagon that day and shares with us what happened and what was going on in the days before, and how that day continues to have resonance today.

August 31, 2019

Our guest is Illinois state Senator Jim Oberweis, a candidate for the Illinois 14th Congressional District. He is running to overtake the seat currently held by uber-liberal and social Democrat Lauren Underwood.

August 24, 2019

This is the Fantasy Football Extravaganza, with in-studio guests Gary Fennessy, Tery Shereck, and Anthony Dierkx; Tom Zeleny and Darren “Shine Box” Monahan join in by phone.

August 17, 2019

Bob and Mike begin to look at what brings us together. Their in-studio guest is Linal Harris from “Inspirational Perspective.” Linal is a radio show host on WVON, a life coach, and a leader in his community. A powerful conversation.

August 10, 2019

The guys dig in and begin to look at what divides us. Their guest is the soldier of love, a cast member of the play “Hamilton,” Antuan Raimone. Amazing.

August 3, 2019

Mike and Bob’s guest this week is Rollo Tomassi, author of “The Rational Male.” It’s an amazing conversation.

July 27, 2019

The topic this time is Making Stuff Happen and the development of agency in one’s own life. This episode gets into the core of the show: personal freedom and the greatness of this country. Courage over Comfort!

July 20, 2019

Bob and Mike speak to the subject of overcoming setbacks. Their guest is Tricia Brouk, award-winning producer and founder of Speakers Who Dare. You have to hear Tricia’s definition of “safe space.”

July 13, 2019

The guys look at the power of a sense of humor. They have a special guest, Rocco Cozza, author of “The Alpha Way.” Rocco talks about attitude, mindset and, most of all, bringing kindness to everything we do.

July 6, 2019

The topic is courage and vulnerability. Mike and Bos’s guest is Peter Gateric, entrepreneur, leader, and owner of Eco Tech Pest Control, a sponsor of Into The Gap.

June 29, 2019

This episode looks into humility and forgiveness, making reference to Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book, “The Three Laws of Performance.”

June 22, 2019

Bob and Mike continue their explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #3: Future-based conversations transform how situations occur.

June 15, 2019

Bob and Mike continue their explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #2: situations occur in language.

June 8, 2019

Bob and Mike begin explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #1: Performance correlates to how situations occur.

June 1, 2019

This show is based in the distinction integrity. Mike and Bob are not talking about morality; this is about workability and creating workability in everything we do.

May 25, 2019

This show is about the third distinction of leadership: being at cause. This is about personal responsibility and owning your life and your circumstances one hundred percent. No victims here. Hosts Bob and Mike address the question, what does courage look like and make possible?

May 18, 2019

In this episode Bob and Mike talk about the second distinction of leadership: being given being and action by something greater. They look at what it means to have purpose.

May 11, 2019

Bob and Mike get into the first of the four core distinctions of leadership — authenticity — and what that actually looks like and why it is important.

May 4, 2019

WELCOME TO INTO THE GAP! This is where Bob and Mike let you know what is up, and why they are doing the show: to empower men and show men what it looks like to be fully responsible.